I don't really care for it; not much. Not anymore.
However, it has been instrumental in my life, and I wouldn't change that for anything.
Again, I'm mostly penning this for my own clarity, but I welcome any discussion it brings.
There is a great deal of hubbub around the interwebs today about the results of a recent Pew Forum study that concluded most agnostics and atheists know more about religion than most religious adherents. If you want to take the quiz, you can find it here...but beware their servers have been overloaded and it might take you awhile to get in. It is 15 questions about all major world religions.
I asked on Facebook "If I scored 100% does that make me an atheist?" According to the study, it might.
However, I am simply a religiously well-educated Christian. Comparative religion is a hobby of mine. Or, put another way, I have investigated several major religions in my process of deprogramming from Christianity. One day, when in the throes of the labor that would deliver me from evangelicalism, I asked myself, "Well, I obviously am no longer a Christian, but I know I'm spiritual, so what am I?" That was back when I still believed Christianity was a box one either fit into, or didn't. And I didn't.
As an aside, there is no box. I'm an atheist of the Christian box.
Or, kind of like this.
I'm no longer convinced that we know who wrote many of the texts that now exist as the canon of the bible. More importantly, I'm no longer convinced we know when they were written. The when is of utmost importance to the New Testament; for were the books written by eye witnesses? If so, were they written decades after the fact? If not, it would explain why some scholars say the first books of the NT were written around 100 AD -- surely not by any eyewitness. The average life expectancy at that time was around 40 years.
A great quote to that effect:
"Several thousand years ago, a small tribe of ignorant near-savages wrote various collections of myths, wild tales, lies, and gibberish. Over the centuries, these stories were embroidered, garbled, mutilated, and torn into small pieces that were then repeatedly shuffled. Finally, this material was badly translated into several languages successively. The resultant text, creationists feel, is the best guide to this complex and technical subject." – Tom Weller, Science Made Stupid, 1985
We don't really know how true any part of the bible is. Of course the more fundamental parts, for a Christian, have to do with the life of Jesus. Did he really perform miracles? Was he really virgin born? Was he really resurrected?
The fundamental reason why Christians are usually expected to believe the bible as 100% literally true has to do with the question that once we begin unraveling it, where do we stop? In the end we are left with, "Did Jesus ever really exist? If he did, why does he even matter at all unless, he really was the son of God, miracle-worker, savior the bible says he is?" If we cease to believe in the literalism of the bible, why should we even care who Jesus was?
I read a book recently that had me thinking. It was by Bishop John Shelby Spong, called 'Jesus for the Non-Religious'. It was a fascinating read, and I was enthralled. However, Bishop Spong attempts to remove all miraculous occurrences from the life of Jesus. He works to give plausible, scientific explanations for every miracle. And it would work for me, too, if I wasn't left with one big question at the end.
"If there were no miracles surrounding the life of Jesus, then why the heck should I care who he was or if he even ever lived?" Sure, maybe he was an insightful prophet, but why should I care?
The reason for me, the reason I don't throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater, the reason I still follow the baby, albeit a different baby, is this:
The words and actions attributed to him speak to my soul. He is recorded as having been a huge religious revolutionary in his time; a revolution that should still impact the way we operate today. The years I spent learning who this man is proclaimed to have been (even if he actually wasn't), have impacted the way I relate to myself, others, and the world at large. When I realized that Jesus' primary message was (or is recorded to have been) that any religious observance, philosophy, theology or doctrine that doesn't stir us toward more love for one another, it is worthless...well, count me in.
Basically, unlike any other religion that I have learned about, the primary religious figure of Christianity brought a message that was revolutionary against not only the religion of the day, but against the religion that he is actually attributed to have founded. In other words, if the message that Christianity holds so dear, "love one another", was actually followed the way Jesus intended, they would put themselves out of business. Their main prophet would be against what Christianity has become.
That's cool. Because they so actively, so vehemently, guard the same prophet that would dismantle them if he was given a chance. That's revolutionary. Crazy, just the way I like it.
However, is that of value to everyone? Of course not, and I completely understand why not. Our simple human sensibilities, when wielded properly, should automatically lead us to kindness, generosity, grace, and love, without all the religious nonsense mixed in. However, personally, I love the revolutionary -- what he stood for, what he represents, all the table-turning, anti-authority, defiant parts of him. He came here and told the religious establishment of the day that they were "doing it wrong". And if he came here today he'd say the same damned thing.
And really, I'm not sure that Jesus, if he did exist, would have a problem with many atheists -- I think they get the point more than any of us. Religion has no value; only kindness has value. Oh yes, you can have kindness without religion, but you cannot have religion without kindness. In other words, we're doing it wrong.
My biggest problem with much of Christendom's insistence that we must believe the bible is true and/or infallible, and/or inspired, and/or literal is simple...their argument is that if we DON'T believe those things (or whatever combination of those things we are being instructed to believe) that we will most certainly fall down a slippery slope into utter atheism. Because, well, if we don't believe God's words from the bible, then we are lost.
I'm living proof that they lie. I believe we can deconstruct everything that is sacred, and still be left with something sacred to cling to. I believe we can actually follow Jesus without being a Christian. I believe I can follow Jesus and even be an atheist, if I wanted to. (Why I still believe "God" exists is another post.)
So I don't really care about the bible. I don't really read it, I don't really care if it's true, or literal, or perfect.
But I can't deny that it has outlined for me the person who is the best example of humanity I have ever heard of. Even if he never lived, which I believe he did, but even if he didn't...maybe he was invented as a hopeful ideal of how good a person could actually be if they truly made love their first priority.
I want to be like him, as much as my selfish little ego is able.
Hi...I think you have the bible pretty well summed up:)
ReplyDeleteAs for Jesus, I look on him as the first fully self-realised human being, totally aware of his identity. He 'conquered death' simply by showing us that it doesn't exist. Life can never be destroyed.
I think we have made idols out of the Bible and it's created monsters. Why do we not believe that truth (whatever that may mean) is as available to us as it was to people thousands of years ago, that we are able to see if we only open our eyes? The jury is still out for me on whether the Bible has caused more damage than good, seeing it's made such little robots out of people. YUK!!
ReplyDeleteI like what MysticBrit says. The first among many ... or all, I think, ultimately :)
MyticBrit - Thanks. I like what you say about conquering death. I think many Christians are way too hung up on death, i.e., Jesus' death, and also what "happens" to them when they die.
ReplyDeleteHaha I managed to misspell MysticBrit...lack of coffee yet this morning. Apologies!
ReplyDeleteSue - I am so tired of sticking my head into an "ancient" document (although how "ancient" it really is what with all the translations and interpretations is debatable) and expecting to learn something that I can't learn from observing relationships, nature, and life. That's not to say that some knowledge of the bible isn't useful, but do I REALLY have to learn it by heart? Do I really have to continue poring over it? I'm tired of it...I know enough about what it says.
ReplyDeleteLittle robots, or as I like to call them, "Stepford Christians".
Well, you have landed pretty well where I am with the bible. Do I believe it is divinely inspired? Yes. The same way Mercy Me's "I Can Only Imagine" was divinely inspired. To create the understanding in any way possibly. For me to take it literally would piss my wife off when I dump her to marry a prostitute as one prophet (Josea?) was ask to do.
ReplyDeleteMy issue with religion and the bible really is that too many religions pick and choose what to include in their doctrine, and what they choose to ignore. They ignore the things that don't fit their doctrine, and interpret the other things through the filter of proving their point.
Jesus killed the law, but set the spirit free. (Holy Spirit) But I will use the analogy anyway. That is why I follow the spirit of the bible, and not the letter of it as law. Jesus released us from that. Yet doctrines recreate law, and enslave the spirit.
Wow! I just realized that I am not at Barry's blog. I truly thought and stylized my response that way.
Sorry.
Nate, you crack me up!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you...religions do pick and choose and that's what drives me crazy. The reality is whatever the bible says, what Jesus said or did takes precedence over all of it. But people don't practice their religion that way.
Love this. Couldn't love it more. O.k. I love what Nate wrote almost as much. But I do love it. ;)
ReplyDeleteThanks, Cheryl!
ReplyDeleteI still think the scriptures are good and essential in knowing God and for that reason they have been misused, twisted and perverted, more than any other book in history. I've had to put the bible aside at different times to detox from much garbage I've been taught, but I always return to it and it still refreshes me and helps me so much. But I know it's the Spirit who is working to do this..., nevertheless, it's through the scriptures. This is not something I've been taught, either. I met the man Jesus through reading the bible out of hunger and curiosity. It was my foundation for knowing him, before I even joined any church. God still speaks to me through the bible, comforts me, teaches me... I do believe that without the real Jesus, the scriptures are too often used as weapons mostly to kill, aside perhaps from some sincere Israelites who are still searching awaiting the Messiah, or others who are genuinely spiritually hungry.... There is MUCH wisdom in the bible that can't be found anywhere else. I really believe we'd all be in much, much worse shape if it hadn't or didn't exist.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your feelings, Manuela. I think you have highlighted one of the reasons the Bible doesn't work for me anymore....because it has been so abused, and I've been so abused by it.
ReplyDeleteOf course,I wouldn't know a thing about this man Jesus unless I had read the Bible time and time again, so I don't discount it's role or value in my life...I just can't put too much into it anymore. But I do know I'd be in worse shape if I'd never read it.
I'm glad you can keep going back to it and that it remains valuable to your life.
No need to come to my blog, Nate - I'm here :o)
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on everything except the clinging to Jesus bit, Erin. To me, if he's a mythical figure or not who the Bible makes him out to be, then he's not worth following. But then, you knew that.
And you know, I ALMOST agree with you Barry. But that's another blog post. :)
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