These thoughts are inspired by a post at Sue's place, where she includes an image of the chocolate Jesus, and asks if it's offensive. What do you think?
Made of solid dark chocolate and unveiled near Easter in 2007.
Is such an image offensive to you? Why or why not?
The reality is, many Christians would find this image offensive; for the nakedness, for the fact that it is made of chocolate, because it was created for gallery exhibition. It would be assumed that there is something sacrilegious about this. However, most would not stop to ask themselves why it was so offensive, other than, well it just IS. Church leaders would say so.
Much of what has changed about my faith fits nicely into this post. For so many years of life, but especially the five years I was imprisoned in the charismatic church that it took so much effort for me to leave almost five years ago, it seems we were forever rallying against something or other...something sinful, something satanic, something evil. This chocolate Jesus surely would have been one of them. It's a graven image. It speaks to the sin of gluttony. A thousand reasons, none of which would make much sense.
I drove by an interesting "church" today...Eckankar: The Religion of the Sound and Light of God. I was fascinated (not of the "it speaks to me" sort, but of the "train-wreck" sort) because I had never heard of this "religion", so I did some research online. I'm not going to link to them, but feel free to Google it. Pretty standard cult stuff; pay your money and some "teacher" will "enlighten" you. Chant, meditate, the whole nine yards.
One of the sites I came across in my research was an ex-Eckankar site; support for those who have left the cult. The following words there really hit me:
"It's pretty much universal when it comes to cult involvement. Everyone thinks no one else will understand - if you ever attend an ex-member workshop - you will be totally amazed that people involved in psychologically controlling groups all have the same experiences - different but the same. My daughter was in a Bible-based group for five years - got out last year - and has the same psychological problems as a person who has been in TM or new age or etc."
I haven't felt so shocked for a long time. I never would have said the church I left was a cult, except for reading these words. The overwhelmingly difficult process of LEAVING has a lot of weight when identifying it as a cult. This, to my perception and probably clinically, indicates a heavy dose of control. Control not only over salvation, but over money, relationships and self-esteem. The fact that so many of my friends chose the church over their relationship with me, when they were told by leadership that I was "unsafe"....well what does that say? Wow, this realization in itself is going to bear some real thought on my part...but later. Just when I think I have it all sorted, some new angle comes along...sheesh.
So...control. Most of you know that obtaining some measure of control over members is a primary goal in many christian churches. One of the ways of doing this in a cult or a church is by controlling what members believe through misinformation and lies.
Often I was taught that something was satanic, demonic, or at least sinful, when there was no real logical or scriptural basis for believing so. I had to give up the logical part of my mind to belong; I had to at least pretend to believe these things. And the definition of "pretend" is somewhat hazy here...I'm sure that initially I would just go along to fit in, but after time would truly believe what I was being fed. And this church had an opinion on everything. We were just expected to believe because we were told, and usually given some mightily twisted bible verse to back it up. It was clear that there was never any real thought, research or intellect put into these "opinions". They made it up as they went along.
Part of the detoxing process has been relearning to think for myself. These days I analyze things where I might have been fearful of them in the past. I ask myself questions: Is there any real reason to fear this? What does my spirit say? Have I checked my facts, or only listened to others' opinions? Am I being true to myself? I have found that with these questions, very many of the things I was afraid of or even hated because I was taught to really were not deserving of such fear and hatred. Secular music. Mini-skirts, nose-piercings. Pagans. Meditation. Universal reconciliation. Democrats. Evolution.
Often it has turned out that the things I was taught were based on speculation, false information, or even outright bald-faced lies. Sometimes, in fact, these things have turned out to be immensely valuable to me on my spiritual journey.
In a nutshell, many christians I knew never bothered to think about why we were supposed to fear or loathe something, they just did because they were indoctrinated to.
Back to the chocolate Jesus...if you find it to be offensive, are you able to answer the question of "why" it is offensive to you? Or are you simply responding to your prior indoctrination?
I hope I have made some sense here. I'm not going to tell you what I think; I want to hear what you have to say.
I'm not offended by it. As far as I'm concerned, it's art.
ReplyDeleteI can think of loads of other things that are far more offensive than this -- many of which are connected to the "Christian subculture".
In no way does it offend me, Erin. I am far more offended by something like bishops blessing battleships, which to me is the height of cognitive dissonance.
ReplyDeleteAs shelly says, it's art, and will reflect to observers whatever is in their hearts.
I wish you a speedy and complete detox, and a continued awakening of joy.
At first I WAS offended, but as I started to think about WHY, the only thing that kept coming to mind was that this man died a gruesome horrific death, and here that death, in my opinion is sort of being made light of in chocolate. That was my first reflex...and and as I thought more about it, my thoughts went more in the direction of the motivation of the artist...I guess that is the important thing to me, and I like what MysticBrit said," it will reflect to observers whatever is in their hearts."
ReplyDeleteI'm a skeptic, and I'm stubborn. This works against me in many situations, but I think in the religious realm it has been of much help. I think the majority of people are good and they mean well, even in the world of Christianity. Unfortunately, we are also imperfect, and a little greedy. It's rare to actually find a "preacher" or leader who is humble enough to let God lead and to set aside their own agenda. However, I do believe that people have a HUGE role in giving these leaders their power and control over their minds... except for maybe in the case of children who are being shaped and raised in this culture (ok, so most Christians ARE!). So, maybe everything I just wrote is completely cancelled out now!! I feel like I just had a conversation with myself here!
I actually love it. I have no idea what the artist was thinking when he made this, here is what it speaks to me: Where Jesus referred to himself as bread and wine, common staples of the day, this artist has depicted for me what the church and religion has done to Him. They have made him into candy - Meant to satisfy their sweet tooth and give no substance. It is of dark chocolate, relating to the fact that this "jesus" is really just for the rich who can afford it and has nothing of value to offer to the poor. I honestly think it is the "jesus" that was sold to me in my charismatic experience. "Look at all the sweet stuff this christian life is to give you!!"
ReplyDeleteI must admit that I do find it somewhat offensive, but not for religious reasons. Rather, I have the same reaction to it as I would to a chocolate sculpture of a man being hanged, drawn and quartered. I suppose it's the act being depicted that offends, rather than the medium. We've become so used to seeing crucifixes everywhere that we forget just what a horrific thing crucifizion was - not just the crucifixion of Christ, but any crucifixion. What Christ achieved through the crucifixion is great, but the act itself was hideous, barbarous and unbelievably cruel. Why do we ignore this and put up sculptures and pictures of it as though it were some sort of innocuous, everyday event?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't regard my old church as a cult, though there were one or two people there who would have made it so if they'd had enough power. However, some of the things I was told were evil look so silly now, looking back. I remember one wonderful old lady who died a few years back - a real "salt of the earth" character - who was extremely shocked worried when she found out that I believed evolution to be true, for example.
ReplyDeleteOther "no-nos" from various sources included: going to the theatre; going to the cinema; dancing; listening to secular music; drinking; associating with "worldy" people (this prohibition is cult-like, but it wasn't believed by everyone in the church, or even all the leaders); reading the holy books of other religions; wearing "worldly" clothes; and believing that parts of the Bible weren't literally, factually accurate. Most of these things fell into the category of "things that a Spirit-filled believer will naturally avoid" because no actual convincing reason was ever given. I'm proud to say that I have openly, and of my own free will, broken every one of those taboos (many of them while I was still in the church). I also studied theology, which was regarded as useless at best and harmful at worst, because "the Spirit will guide us into all truth" rather than the learning of men.
I'm so glad I'm no longer under the influence of the "let's prohibit everything" brigade, although to be honest I never really subscribed to their school of thought in he first place.
Shelly, I agree with you about the Christian subculture. It's interesting when you think about it...there is more sex and violence in the bible than a lot of books and movies these days.
ReplyDeleteMysticBrit - Absolutely. There are so many contradictions in Christianity.
ReplyDeleteThank you!
Kari - I agree about people choosing to give the power to the leaders. Why do we do that? I suppose we want to fit in, and not rock the boat. It's sad.
ReplyDeleteOoh Barb, that's interesting. And you are so right...he was sold to me too. I would even venture to say that this "candy" will satisfy all your desires and make you feel good. Is this a charismatic thing?
ReplyDeleteBarry - I think that's an important aspect. Do we really need such a contradiction...violence done in candy? Maybe it's meant to be thought provoking that way.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, Barry...I never really subscribed to all that either, just played the game. Not sure why I felt so compelled to fake it, but I think for me it had to do with wanting to be accepted and fit in somewhere.
ReplyDeleteThe reality is any group will have rules that are meant to be kept. I have thought about going to a secular humanist group here just to see if the same dynamics are at play. I'd bet they are. This is why I can't see myself in a community any time soon. Because whatever it is there will always be conformities that are expected.
To me the sculpture is incosequential piffle. Just an artists attempt at using christian outrage to make a name. I would fall more to Barry's line of thinking than anyone else's. The Romans would crucify people along the road of conquered territories to scare them into submission. Because those on crosses suffocated. By their own choice. SCARY.
ReplyDeleteBut church as cult, very much so. Moast cults in our definition are more defined by the lengths they will go to obtain members, retain membership and obedience. In modern definition, if an organization does something that is against acceptable social norms, it is cult. But many religious organizations do exactly the same things, but in a more passive agressive way. The brainwashing in done in the culture created in the church. The desire to leave quashed by the realization of loss of those dear to you. Misbehavior pushed sown through threat of exposure to the congregation and ridcule. All socially accepted, but have the same result as being locked in a closet until the proper behavior is seen.
Of course there are those that are not that way. But, there are those that sre too.
I saw this at Sue's and was a bit shocked by it because it just bothered me to see any naked man with a chocolate penis.
ReplyDeleteI think there are lots of Christian cults out there. And you are so RIGHT ON with this statement, I was that way for years and thankfully meeting people like you and others has helped me grow way beyond this type of thinking:
"In a nutshell, many christians I knew never bothered to think about why we were supposed to fear or loathe something, they just did because they were indoctrinated to."
Tom Waits has a cool song called "Chocolate Jesus." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw
ReplyDeleteInteresting comments :) This speaks to me of the commodification of Christianity, making it all nice and suburban. I like the shock value.
ReplyDeleteBTW Erin my delirium about being able to find community has gone backwards again. I will email you about it :(
Wow did I really never get back here and respond to the rest of the comments? Bad me...sorry folks!
ReplyDeleteI absolutely agree with your second paragraph, Nate. I think your point about getting you in until you have relationships that will be a loss if you leave is very true. I don't think that aspect of it is exactly intentional...but it's the most significant one, at least for me.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Barbara. Me glad to know you, too.
ReplyDeleteI suppose there are varying degrees of cult, but I know I was in one for sure, simply because of the massive amounts of detox that have been necessary.
Thanks David, I'll check it out!
ReplyDeleteThe commodification of Christianity...right on, Sue. It's a club, something desirable to have...
ReplyDeleteJesus was crucified naked few people know that.
ReplyDeleteYou sound like you have your mind back now it is good to see. I think most of the church is in a state of the blind leading the blind. Christians can be all full of love and grace...until you tell them that one of their pet doctrines is wrong!! lol